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European
Commission President Barroso addressed the Brussels Think Tank Forum
'State of the Union 2013 – Federalism or Fragmentation: Spelling out
Europe's F-Word' on 22 April.
See below for Memo on what President Barroso actually said on austerity and growth at the Forum.»
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| «Matina Stevis (moderator):
The role of the institutions of the Commission within the context of
this crisis can surely not just be to provide intellectual leadership or
aspiration. Surely it must be to be relevant to the citizens in Athens
and Lisbon or in Nicosia and to be strong. I've heard you and others
describe the Commission as the guardian of the Treaty. It means nothing
to an Athenian that you are the guardian of the Treaty. The Treaty means
nothing. You are to be the guardian of that citizen, of your compatriot
in Lisbon. So, it is the moment for the European institutions to decide
whether they will be strong and relevant or weak and irrelevant. That
is an existential moment for you, Sir, as well as for the Union itself.
José Manuel Barroso:
First, I have to react to a statement you have made when you said that
the Treaty means nothing (even if you are a moderator, it was not a
moderate statement), I say to you, it means a lot, because one of the
reasons we have a rise of unemployment in Greece is because the Treaty
was not respected by the Greek authorities and by other countries. We
have a Stability and Growth Pact, we have rules and those European rules
were not respected by the Greek authorities, so these unemployed people
in Greece should be told that the authorities of their country did not
respect the Treaties that they have signed. Not only that country. So a
Treaty means immense for Europe, not all, but the difference between the
European order of today and the order of the First and the Second World
War is precisely in that now we are a community based on law and common
principles. Before we were a Europe based on balance of power,
confrontation and even the worst. So to say that the Treaty means
nothing, I simply cannot accept it. A community of law is fundamentally
different from "l'état de jungle", from arbitrary powers. This is my
first point.
Second point, there I
share completely your concerns, we have to go beyond the Treaties and I
think I understand also because, as you said, coming from Portugal, I
am in a very good position to understand it, there is a deep problem now
of trust of the normal European citizen towards the European Union. We
know that. One of the reasons being of course the consequences of the
financial crisis, namely the social situation that is, as I have said it
before, and emergency social situation in many of our countries. Now,
to put the blame of this on the European Union is not only politically
dishonest, but intellectually inadequate. The crisis was created not by
the European Union or by the euro as some suggest. The crisis was
created by unsustainable public debt and by irresponsible behaviour in
the financial markets, not only in Europe, by the way. And we are
feeling the consequences of the crisis that was originated either in the
financial sector or in the national competences of our Member States,
including the supervisory capacity. Now we are trying to have a Single
Supervisory mechanism and it's almost done, but let's not forget that
everything that happened in the banking sector in Europe so far happened
under the authority, or should I say the lack of it, of the national
supervisors. This is important to remind, because today people tend to
suggest it was the fault of Europe. We are now equipping Europe to those
kind of challenges and from that point of view we are making progress.
Now, having said
this, I know this will also not respond to the concerns of the
unemployed citizen in Greece or Portugal or many other countries we
could quote. That is why I also think that we are reaching the limits of
the current policies. The current policies are of course appropriate in
terms of reducing the biggest challenge that we have today which is the
challenge of unsustainable debt, public and private, the need to
deleverage, the need to put Europe on a sound footing so that Europe can
be more competitive and can have growth again, but growth that is
sustainable, because what we have learned, and this is for me the
biggest lesson of the crisis, and I think a lesson that we have not yet
all completely drawn, is that growth based on debt is not sustainable.
Growth based on unsustainable public or private debt is artificial
growth and what we need is to have growth that is sustainable, namely
based on increased competitiveness in Europe. This is what we need. This
is the greatest lesson to draw from the crisis.
So while this policy
is fundamentally right, I think it has reached its limits in many
aspects, because a policy to be successful not only has to be properly
designed. It has to have the minimum of political and social support. I
know that there are some technocratic advisors who tell us what is the
perfect model to respond to a situation, but when we ask how we
implement it, they say that is not my business. This cannot happen at
European level. We need to have a policy that is right. At the same time
we need to have the ways, the means of its implementation and its
acceptance, the acceptability, political and social. This is where I
think we have not done everything right, responding directly to your
question. We have not been able collectively, the European institutions,
the Member States, to explain really what was at stake and to build the
necessary support. And then we have this unacceptable prejudice coming
on. The idea, in some of our Member States, the states in the periphery
(to simplify) that the problems they have, they have not created it,
that it was created by someone, probably Berlin or the European
institutions, or the IMF. It was not created by the others. But also the
other prejudice that exists in some of the, let's say, central
countries or more prosperous countries, that there was some kind of
inability of the people from the periphery or from the South, that some
of these people are by definition lazy or incompetent. And this is a
deep problem. It is intolerable, morally unacceptable. Coming myself
from one of those countries I can tell you myself that Portuguese people
are extremely hardworking people and all kinds of comments, based on
national prejudice are simply against the European values. The issue is
in fact that there are different levels of productivity and
competitiveness in Europe, but not all these problems are because of
qualities of the peoples or of the nations. On the contrary, they have
very objective reasons and we could go one by one. And we have seen in
the history, and we don't have to go back very far in history, that
countries change very often in terms of being the successful stories or
the bad pupils of the economy. The point is more in terms of management,
technology, policy, wrong or good decisions, policy and politics
matter. And this is the important point and I want to make that point
very strongly that as President of the Commission (what you have said
and I take your challenge) I have a duty and I want to say that it is
unacceptable the kind of national prejudices that I see so often in the
political debate today and that we have, those who believe in Europe, we
have to fight against this populistic, nationalistic tendency.
Ian Traynor (The Guardian):
If I understand you correctly you are saying that basically the
austerity policies that have been the principle response to the crisis
have run against the limits and cannot really be implemented without the
necessary levels of political and social approval and support. This has
been the principle response through the past three years and it is time
to admit that these policies are not working. Can you comment on that
and what are you suggesting?
José Manuel Barroso:
The Commission has never and will never propose a policy that is only
based on the correction of the deficits. This is certainly a difficult
policy to implement, because we believe that without correcting the
imbalances in public finances, we will not have confidence and without
confidence, we have no investment. And without investment there is now
growth. But our response to the crisis, our policy proposals, has always
been a comprehensive response. It is the structural reforms for
competitiveness, it goes from the points that are in the so-called
Europe 2020 agenda to very important policy recommendations that we have
been making in the Country-specific recommendations that are sometimes
very difficult to accept at national level, because they introduce more
flexibility in our markets, but also it is about trade. Trade is a very
important driver for growth and we believe it has a great value for
Europe today to promote this kind of trade opportunities (not only for
Europe, but certainly for Europe as well) and it goes also for
investment. As you know the European Commission has presented what we
consider as ambitious Multiannual Financial Framework for European
investment. It was reduced in ambition in the consensus reached, because
unanimity was required by the Member States, but we are putting forward
an agenda for investment; it was the Commission who first proposed for
instance the project bonds that are now starting to be implemented; the
increase in the lending capacity of the European Investment Bank. So, we
have a policy for growth.
Politically and
socially, one policy that is only seen as austerity, is of course not
sustainable. That is why we need to combine the indispensable, I
underline indispensable, correction of the disequilibria in public
finances, namely huge deficits, huge public debt, fiscal rigour, this is
indispensable, we need to complement this with proper measures for
growth, including short term measures for growth, because we know that
some of those reforms take time to produce effect. What is going on in
Greece, in Portugal, in Spain is amazing in terms of correction of the
external imbalances. It is amazing what some of these countries have
been doing, for instance Portugal and Ireland, Ireland even more, in
terms of recovering the confidence of markets and the investors. Let's
not forget that the programmes that were designed were basically for
this purpose, because those countries could not by themselves find the
necessary funding for the functioning of the state. That is why they
have asked for the Euro area's support.
Now, this is indispensable,
but it has to be complemented by a stronger emphasis on growth and
growth measures in the shorter term. We have been saying this, but we
should say it louder and clearer. If not, even if the policy of
correction of the deficit is basically correct, we can always discuss
the fine-tuning, the rhythm or the pace, but that will not be
sustainable politically and socially.
In terms of the
fine-tuning, let me tell you, probably you have not taken sufficiently
notice of it, the European Commission has been proposing, because the
final decision is taken by the Eurogroup and by the ECOFIN (politically
by the Euro area and the Eurogroup, but formally by the ECOFIN) the
extension of the timelines for the correction of the deficits. We have
done it for several countries, we will probably do it for others in the
next evaluation. We are now making that review in dialogue also with the
Member States. This has not been sufficiently acknowledged. We have put
the emphasis, and it is clear also in the communication of Vice
President Rehn, on the structural deficit rather on the nominal deficit.
This is an important point. I am saying that because some people
suggested the Stability and Growth Pact is blind and this is simply not
true. There is inherent flexibility in the Stability and Growth Pact to
implement this policy. So, I think I was clear and I should not be
misunderstood. While the correction of the excessive deficit is
indispensable to recover confidence (If not what happens is that markets
and investors will once again put a very big risk on those countries
and so they run the risk of losing what they are getting in terms of
renewed credibility), it has to be complemented by stronger measures and
also political agreement for growth including short term growth
measures. This is the policy that is right to do.
You said this policy is not producing results. I am sorry, we have to see that case by case. Ireland
is going back to growth, it has positive growth. It is one of the very
few countries that has positive growth today in Europe and they have
been implementing one of the toughest programmes of adjustment and they
are also already now in positive territory in terms of employment. So,
can you say that the programme is not working? It is a painful programme
certainly, but you cannot say it is not working.
The short term
objective of the programme for Portugal was the country to go back to
the markets and in terms of reduction of the spread of the country's
debt it is amazing the progress that was achieved, at a very difficult
cost in the short term for our citizens, that is certainly true, but
creating conditions for longer term sustainable growth, including by the
way with the extremely good results in terms of correction of external
imbalances and this also applies to Greece and to other countries. A
country that people don't speak about probably because it is smaller,
Latvia, a country that is not in the Euro area, but in fact it is as if
it was, because there was no competitive devaluation. They went from
very negative figures in terms of growth to positive - one of the most
impressive growth figures in Europe today.
So to say that
generally the programmes don't work or the programmes work, is a
simplistic vision. We have to have tailor made solutions for different
countries, fine-tune the policy responses. They are very complex policy
mixes. We cannot apply a one-size-fits-all approach to the European
countries and in this Commission this is the vision we are going to
defend with our Member States, keeping in mind that the solutions in the
end are taken by the Member States. I want to underline this as well,
because sometimes people say it is the Commission, it is the Troika. The
Commission and the Troika propose. At the end the decisions are taken
by the Member States where by the way we have from all political and
ideological colours. I think it would be important, while of course
giving different contributions to this debate, to avoid simplistic
ideological polarisation of this debate. After all the Eurogroup is now
presided by distinguished Member of the socialist family. Nobody is
going to say that the Eurogroup is a socialist body or that the
Commission is EPP body or that the European Council is I don't know
what. No. What we need is a real consensus among the most important
political forces and optimally the most important social partners on our
way forward. And this is very challenging, but I believe those who want
to over simplify the situation putting it as a kind of an option
between austerity and growth are completely wrong. We need sound fiscal
policy. We need deeper reform for competitiveness and we need
investment, namely with a social dimension.»
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